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March 06, 2006

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What a great answer Lisa. Conversation is very different than the communication model most B schools teach.

Almost 2,500 years ago a sage observed, "Those who speak don't know. Those who know don't speak." I think one thing that maxim means is the confident talkers get by so easily on their ability to yak, they don't bother knowing very much. Case in point - media pundits.

LH: This is an area that is very interesting to me and it pops up in a variety of places. I am working with a group of people to write a book and I keep thinking about how we can facilitate great conversation versus wax poetic.

I need to reorder my business cards...I want to change the "title" I put under my name. Right now is says Management and Leadership Expert. Yuck! I want to put something like "Facilitating Leadership, Management, and Organizational success" but this is too long and not quite right.

Great conversations lead to great thinking and action. Speaking, while a skill and art, will not make a damn bit of difference if it does not improve the conversation.

How do we articulate this? What's the conversation for conversation? Ironic question, really.....

For one-on-one conversations there's only two things you need to know - how to really get someone talking and then how to listen.

For group conversations I am looking for the answers. I think it may start by knowing how to keep dominating people from dominating and how to get those who really know to talk (see above). I'm just not sure how to do that, without getting all rule bound and PC. Any ideas?

Laurence - you have gotten to the heart of it - how do we enrigh the conversation without over-managing it? That's what interests me and what I have been working on, and what the six elements seek to support.

Here are some of the things I do that helps, too:

I help the dominating (usually bosses) folks create and articulate their end goals (of which their domineering does not support although they do not know this).

I set the expectation upfront that I will be seeking to get open engagement from those that have the information, ideas, and crucial concerns. And then in the meeting/conversation, I put on my courageous hat and make sure this happens.

Crafting GREAT questions is key - and is half the battle in my mind.

Prepping people to come to the conversation ready to open up is another. I set the expectations high and don't let the group get away with wasting each other's time.

I find that being tough is important. Being insanely interested is important. Being generous and helpful is important. Acknowledging people's special contribution and using the Peter Principle to our advantage is important. Timing of questions can make or break the conversation.

There is an art to a great conversation. It's something that I find fascinating and I can see that those who are great at it produce vastly different results.

Hmmm. Lisa and Laurence, I am enjoying listening in on this conversation! Terrific post Lisa, I too like the way you’ve broken talk down to these elements.

The two that strike me most are freedom and play; freedom from the need for people in so many organizations to feel safe so they can be more inhibited and free, and play because conversations at work generally do need to be so much more joyful and un-boring. I also think these two elements are the ones that boost energies; when I enter a workplace to coach that is usually the first task at hand for me, injecting some life into any complacency and mediocrity, which include the conversational ruts teams have fallen into. We spend some time talking about our ‘rules of engagement’ to expose bad habits for the villains they are, and immediately set the expectation that not engaging is not an option any longer.

Gotta say, this is half the fun of coaching! We jump in, stir things up, and don’t follow the existing “rules” we don’t know about existing for them! “Well, why not?” always ends up to be my favorite question. I relish the thought that my ‘ignorance’ can turn out to be our bliss.

Rosa - I like the way you said that - facilitator "ignorance" can be a great catalyst for the conversation. and I agree that conversation facilitation is organic - we have to see where things are going and nudge them along.

I might even go so far as saying that facilitation is more art than science.

I love all of this, because I love good dialogue, in and out of the office.

I've got one question related to the "six elements of great dialogue," Lisa. Does every meeting, every conversation, every interaction I have at work *need* to include all six of those elements? Are there times when any of them can be counter-productive?

My background is almost entirely creative: web development, design work, literature, writing, "professional learning." I'm really good at that side of things, and I've worked for a lot of highly creative, very fun, very productive organizations. We were producing things that had broad appeal, and our internal structures and atmosphere reflected our products.

It was productive for us to play together, and quite easy for us to establish "six-element" dialogue. (I just made that up . . . but i like it!).

But I've worked at a few (thank God, just a few) places where the products weren't broadly appealing. It was very difficult, in those environments, to have "six-element" dialogue. My question is, in those kinds of environments, is it possible to hit all six elements in dialogue? Is it optimal? Is it worth the trouble it takes to get your people there?

Innately, I want to answer, YES to all three of those questions. I want to find the owners of those business that are bored with what they do and tell them that if they can't find a way to make what they do exciting to their employees, they should get out while they still can.

Or maybe they should hire a coach?

Jeremy - I think that all six elements do not need to be present to have a great conversation - but the more the better. As you state - "six-element" dialogue is significantly better and more stimulating and productive than talk that does not meet this standard.

Most business conversations fall short. I think there are many reasons for this. People not "in love" with their business and product is certainly one problem. Leaders and managers who squelch great dialogue is another. Not knowing how to converse is also a challenge for some and easy to correct.

Coaches can help if there is the desire to create change and create great dialogue. If someone is not interested in coaching, it is likely a waste of time.

Thanks for the thoughts!

Coaches can help if there is the desire to create change and create great dialogue. If someone is not interested in coaching, it is likely a waste of time.

Thanks for the thoughts!

st I did about listening:

"Hi, I am a student of Business Administration, and recently, we have been taking courses on effective communication. There seems to be so much emphasis put on listening, but what about talking? Shouldn't speaking also be regarded as a major part of communicati

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