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Yes, No, maybe, partly i dont know.
I just read it again.

Yes for some fat people losing weight, getting fitter helps them to reach their personal goals.

Being overweight is dangerous to your health, if it gets so serious that you cant do normal day life things (walking stairs, running to catch a train/plane) things get bad.

The problem with this is where do you draw the line. Depending on peoples wieght you are actually judging people.

Whats next, religion, smokers/non smokers, hair color, skin color. Judging people based on their appearance is bad.

You do however got a point with:

"We are already wonderful and great. What’s our potential? What’s possible? That’s the real question."

Carying a lot of mental crud is a problem for everyone of us. It isnt just about being fat, is shouldnt be a reason not to be the person you want to be.

In conclusion I would like to warn againt judging people on their appearances.

And yes I'm slightly overweight.
I'm also from an european country.

Lisa,
I'm with you so far. I admit to prejudging someone fat and thinking, "why doesn't he/she do something about it. He/she is so smart otherwise."
I,too,would like to dissolve 15 pounds and, when I am around fit people, feel that I am inferior to them, even though I swim daily, workout several times a week, play golf (walking) twice a week and eat an extremely healthy diet.
I'm eager for your next post after your breather!

Like it or not people make judgements quickly and they can only obey what they know to be true to make those judgements.

Body weight should absolutely be more of a measure than ethnic background when making these prejudgements. Why? Because I can do something about my weight. In majority of cases, your weight is your choice. Sure, there's a shed load of baggage that prompts that choice.

What can I do about my ethnicity? Not a thing.
What about my weight? Less pies, more fruit. Less TV, more activity.

Barfield - Thanks for your comment. My intent with this first dialogue is to put this issue out there and talk about personal best. I am not advocating that we find it acceptable to make incorrect assumptions about fat people. The key message is that the mental crud we have, as fat people, is holding us back from our personal best.

Sure there are many things that hold us back from realizing our potential, and being fat is a big one.

Some people might lose the weight and not move toward their personal best. But the process and success of losing weight can be a powerful catalyst I think.

For better, worse, true, false, correct, incorrect, we are all judged by our appearance. And (the more important point, I think) we judge ourselves based on our appearance.

Linda - it is interesting that with only 15 extra pounds you say you have some mental crud about your weight.

Dan - yes there are many other aspects of our being that we cannot do much about ethnicity and gender being the most obvious. I also see these things as being different because being fat is, again except for a tiny portion of the population, a state of being out of balance with nature. We all have different shapes and sizes, and there is a highly tuned state that can each achieve.

I recall hearing Keith Ferrazzi speak and he talked about how being highly tuned was a priority for him. His staff works to find places that offer him healthy meals in advance of his travels. We don't all have paid staff to do this, but the notion of being committed to being tuned is interesting.

Haven't had the guts to write it. Kudos Lisa- for putting this out there!

And I think the big thing, like Dan said, is not judging ourselves.

Recently I heard someone say- 'I have a perfectly nice shape, it's round'

That's stuck with me. Because it says that people come in different shapes and sizes. And each of these varying shapes carries an equally unique and valuable 'person'.

Confession: There have been days when I've thought- now if I were just 15 pounds lesser, life would be perfect.

So obviously, my beliefs and my thoughts are not perfectly congruent. As long as I have the discipline to exercise everyday and eat healthy- I should feel good! Who cares about what the next person thinks! (More often than not- the next person's too busy wondering what others think of him or her, anyways!)

Astha - Thanks for the comment.

I fear that I am not communicating clearly. I do think the situation is a bit different for people who are significantly overweight.

Let's not kid ourselves, we ARE judging ourselves all the time. And I am not so sure that is always bad. Dissonance is often a catalyst for change.

But here is my deeper point that I am not sure how to best communicate. I am asserting that I think that whether we admit it or not, we seriously hamper our ability to perform near our potential. I am saying that even highly successful fat people are losing time and energy because of the internal drama that comes with being fat. Even kings and CEOs have this drama and that when we are living in the drama, we have fewer mental and physical resources available to use to be our best.

I am not suggesting this so that others can judge us. I am opening up this conversation for our own use.

They say that for change to occur, we have to feel that the change is less painful that to stay the same. I am not sure this is the only formula for change, but it is certainly one way to look at it. I also feel that a compelling and amazing vision of what's possible can motivate sustained change.

Sometimes we don't realize how much energy we have wrapped up in a part of our lives.

I am a firm believer that we can choose our inner dialogue too. That said, it will take the average fat person a lot of energy to redirect the constant barrage of messages that remind him or her that he or she is fat - that his or her body is out of balance and needs to be tuned. Again, energy lost.

I would put most people with under 20 pounds of excess weight in the "fit people" category. Like you wrote, if you exercise and take care of yourself, you are likely pretty fit.

This is a conversation about what's possible and I would like people to look at this from a personal perspective - not outward about whether it is appropriate to judge people because they are fat.

Power lies in looking in to see how much drama there is and having the power to make choices about that.

I like all these comments because they are helping me process through my thoughts better - thanks!

Lisa - thanks for pouring your heart out like this... it is a challenging issue. And you hit the core issue very well... everything is intertwined and interdependent... our fitness, our self-perceptions, and our mental-crud. Personally, I do the roller-coaster ride throughout the year. In February and March, I'm at my highest weight and my lowest esteem and energy. In August and September, I'm at my lowest weight and my highest esteem and energy. There are definitely correlations. But this is one of those senstive topics that can sit in the middle of the room like the proverbial elephant. Thanks to you (and others) who shared thoughts... a lot to process and think about (in a good way)... and glad I'm not alone in these thoughts. (And if you're bogged down in "mental crud" your site doesn't show it... you have some incredibly positive material out here... will be adding you to my blog roll.)

Timothy - thanks for your comments and observations.

I think many people are both knee deep in crud and very positive and successful. And yet, imagine if the crud were not there.....

Lisa, re: I think many people are both knee deep in crud and very positive and successful. And yet, imagine if the crud were not there.....

They are who they are and what they are, and those people are living their lives. Don't ever think that no one else has gone through what you have. Allow yourself to grieve (you always will...it does get easier but then there are times...allow yourself to feel those times).

Being fat; being too skinny (po' as they used to say in the South); whatever it is, we always want something else. As a "husky" child I wanted to be thin. Grew up quite top heavy with big feet and never was the "average" weight: I would have toppled over!!! And had big feet!

Lisa, please please...try not to regret the past ...don't fear the future...and do not ignore the present. Be grateful for the time you had with your Mother and with anyone you value in your life. Lots of people are not so lucky. And besides: you could slip on a banana peel and that could be it! Life is too short to not enjoy most of it...and when there's crud, just realize that it will go away eventually too.

Thank you; by sharing your grief I was able to acknowledge mine. Today was kind of hard.

Bless you and I am sending positive vibes of support to you and yours...

T

T - Thanks for your kind thoughts, but this particular post is not about my mother or grief. I am not regretting the past or fearing the future. And although I agree with you that many people have a "grass is greener" perspective about many things, that's not my driving force for this post and perspective.

We are who we are in this moment, sure. And who we will be in the next moment is influenced by our values, goals, and actions. I may not have been as clear as I would have liked, but this is really the focus of my thoughts and post - seeing possibility and being inspired and motivated by it. Acknowledging barriers that are preventing us from performing at our best and obliterating them.

I think what you're saying is so different from the general- 'let's not discriminate; let's be accepting'- that its taking a while to sink in.

I think what you're saying is that there is value in our inner dialogue over our self-perception, our judgments about ourselves. And if we are to change for the better we should harness the dissonance between what we are and what we want to be. Even if what we 'want to be' is shrouded by stereotypical notions.

Tell me, if I'm still off the mark.

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